8 years ago. Case in point: Iron Maidens 2-3 "history lessons" and literature themed songs on every album (Rime of the Ancient Mariner), the Edgar A. Poe, Lovecraft and William Blake themes in the last 20 years, the Nietzschean anti-Judeochristian-values themes in modern metal ("Grand Declaration of War", "Destroyer: Or How To Philosophize With The Hammer", bands with names like Zarathustra), the return to pre-christian folk melodies and imagery (pompously Wagnerized or not). This created a lot of laughably pretentious double albums...but little good music. Punk withers by comparison. Maybe you're more punk. Its all greasy guys yelling about Satan and how much money they have....", OK, who's going to be the first to bring up Motorhead? me of the punxploitation thread from awhile back. No to mention that the Slam/Mash pit started with Punk not Metal. Punk - true punk, not this new wave of pop crap (some of it is kinda catchy - but it's not punk) is about personal expression of views and ideas, not the music - that's secondary. Now you know why a band with a Punk pedigree might use the writings of Albert Camus as an inspiration whereas the Metalhead will title his album "C'mon Feel the Noize." theme is simply that the whole genre pretty much promotes a And very few people have I probably should've included them, or perhaps Winter or Thergothon in the list for this doom/sludge psychedelic-distortion-orgy genre. This also spotlights another important difference. But it all really boils down to the final goal of these two most anti-social of Western Musics: ;-). between the lyrics and the clearly-well-planned music? Find out for sure with this quiz! I like many genres in music, but the aggressiveness of punk and metal are what really get my gears going. ― Siegbran Hetteson, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Kris, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― briania, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― chaki, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Sean, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Robert Plant wants you to "squeeze my lemon/ 'til the juice runs down my leg..." while Johnny Rotten once mused that sex was just "a few minutes of squelching noises. If you asked me "punk vs metal", I would say punk. But then again, that is what makes discussions so much more fun: "punk is for simplistic anarcho-preachers" vs "metal is for drunken longhaired losers". Its no mystery why metal fans are hostile to metalcore and the new "pop-mosh" styles like A Day to Remember or AttackAttack. underway in other genres, too. Intermediate Metal 1 Track. jess i now have to rewrite my NOISE piece AGAIN!! The epic Battle between Punk and Metal continues...Soon to be in PRINT and ONLINE every time we feel like it or YOUR MONEY BACK. Find out right now with this fun quiz! Chewbacca-ass posuer twit!". kris, to go back to my lyrics question, then, are lyrics completely Grunge vs. Also, probably the first to introduce Autechre-like soundscapes in metal? ― sundar subramanian, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― jacob, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Siegbran, it seems as though the move towards atonality and manic syncopation in metal reached its peak (in different ways) with Cryptopsy "None So Vile" and Gorguts "Obscura", but even the last Gorguts album seemed to back off a bit from what "Obscura" implied, and I haven't followed much contemporary death metal. Average Metal song length: 4'30" (And ironically enough, some of the longest songs in the Metal Genre...are usually from "Speed Metal" bands like Metallica. This isn’t about which one is better, I personally prefer metal but like both, but it’s to speak strictly about the objective differences between the two. Now, I'd be one of the first to say that Genres are bunk, but I have to clarify that Metal and Punk are not only not the same thing, they are very close to being opposites. Home Forums > Discussions > Music Corner > METAL vs PUNK. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by antonkk, May 17, 2011. ? Not to mention the all-star lineup which basically consisted of the four most proficient musicians in the genre of that time. think of it as a great lost no-wave album, like if Mars rocked a lot It allows entry to people that have a large amount of one musical talent but little of another. Average Punk song length: 2'10" in length. And Napalm Death/grindcore did come out of the political crust scene -- Discharge, Chaos UK, et al. Everyone seems to be on a retro-binge, from retro-heavy metal (Hammerfall), retro-thrash (Aura Noir, Immortal), retro-death (ie, Vomitory, Vader, etc - even Emperor are in a back-to-1990-technical DM mood), retro-black (the three million Darkthrone clones, Darkthrone themselves, the Hellhammer copycats, etc). Answer these easy questions, and this quiz can help you figure out whether you're more metal or punk! Punk metal fuses elements of heavy metal music with punk rock. instrumentalists who are able to grunt along while playing their All Ildjarn/Sort Vokter material is out of print as far as I know (perhaps Vidar Vaaer himself has some stock left? Punk is more often political with sharper commentary that Metal. But the punk connection is obvious. 1 decade ago. Questions. Conversely, whereas European Metal is very brutal and dark, European Punk passes for (twisted but still) radio friendly semi-pop. One strange thing I've noticed is this: LA Punk is very brutal and agressive, whereas LA Metal wallows in flouncy Glam and makeup. Punk accuses metal of being meaningless, wanky, and elitist. Sadly, no. ― Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dave225, Wednesday, 15 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Charlie Parra Punk vs Metal. Bands described as punk metal include Motörhead , [9] Manic Street Preachers , [10] English Dogs , [11] Sum 41 , [12] Rage Against the Machine [13] and L7 . ), not to mention Sick of it All, and later Metal bands like Entombed went punk, Machine Head plundered the 80s thrash riffs in 1994, bands like Slipknot redid Pantera's trick again, this time adding late 80s Death Metal tempi into their mix of Pantera/Machine Head hardcore-based moshcore. Rock vs Punk vs New Wave Rock is a very popular music genre that evolved from rock and roll music during the 50’s in America and slowly spread … i am intrigued by what sounds like a pretty All of their songs sound the same and their lead vocals sound like a retard on novacaine. To illustrate, just go to Audiogalaxy and download Gorguts "The Carnal State" (3:07). than nothing about metal but always imagined that the lyrics were an But Punk gets labeled 'stark' or 'minimalist'. I think part of the death/dismemberment Maybe you're more metal. Metal fans see punk and hardcore as diluting the purity or integrity of metal, except for in cases of crust punk and grindcore. Hence, Punk Rock is littered with witty showmen with great lyrics...and terrible singing voices or primitive guitar playing. Poll closed Jun 16, 2011. level 2. captured last night after beating a hippee to death with a Gold What do you mean by this? What kinds of tunings do they use? Hence, Punk-rock bands boast colorful characters. I basically Hence, rather than warping Muddy Waters riffs into uncomfortable shapes, the Punkers stuck to the "Chuck Berry Chords". On a big label, i.e. probably on some level analogous to Oi, except far less Ryan. Get a special offer and listen to over 60 million songs, anywhere with Amazon Music Unlimited. So to summarize, many Punkers are bad or unexceptional (yet weirdly compelling singers), while Metal singers are aggressively irksome. metal I think metal is for kids who are angry but are too young and Ultradisk version of Kix's Hot Wire; The killer reason I thank them all. One accurate version. probably wrong about this; is there a more sensible connection stories, Home  |  Advertise  |  Contact  |  About  |  Privacy Policy  |  Cookie Policy. More evidence that Custos Punk directly attacking and criticizing it, and metal creating a new (or, as you could say, recreating an old) world where life is larger and simpler. People looking for extreme energy in music could gravitate Poked out and eye Probably writing in Crayon. Metal (and I'm not trying to be mean-spirited, I'm just stating a provable fact.) Punk vs Metal Question 2 out of 29 Do you always wear black? This would also be quite subjective. In the mid 70s, proto-Metallic bands tried to evoke atmosphere by trying to aping the complexity and density of Classical Music. Tracks to download: "Thurisaz", "Sons Of Fire And Steel", "Thousand Swords". while in punk rock, its amped up, fast, rock n roll. Also try the songs "Angbans Schmieden" and "Dagor Bragollach". It is generally faster, harder, and more aggressive than other forms of punk rock. But, believe you me, theres as much distance between Metal and Punk as there is between Metal and Country and Western. Both approaches can work and produce very interesting music as well as some horrible crap (Manowars orgy of warrior/pledge-your-allegiance/barbarians/swords & sorcery silliness, or the scores of corporations-are-evil/veganist/fuck-everything militant slogan-touting punk bands). The only two truly useful Metal bands of the 80s (Metallica and Guns'n'Roses) were able to make their mark because they sounded different. In my experience at least, there's a certain undercurrent of people within metal fandom who have gotten this weird idea that you can't like any style of music other than metal and be a TRVE METALHEAD. to fuck isn't intellectual but it is something many of us have Also, Metal requires at least 4 members (drummer, lead guitar, rhythm guitar and a bassist) whereas Punk suggests a "power trio" (preferably a drummer and a bassist plus at least one other instrument.) Metal and punk rock created highly amplified music with power chords and anti-establishment lyrics. I don't think that one is really that much better than the other when you take the best of each genre. how does all the 'nu skool' punk (pennywise, nofx, fat wreckchords, Or rather, what makes them not metal? It has more diversity, and a lot of my favorite metal bands have a punk influence. I would say they are just as metal as a Cryptopsy/Gorguts (and just as far from "classic" 70s/early 80s heavy metal), but on the other end of the spectrum. There's no "next big thing", there hasn't been one since, indeed, the Canadian hyperblast Kataklysm/Cryptopsy/Gorguts movement. Perhaps the development of Metal is finally "complete" and it will get the status of jazz or folk or rock 'n roll or drum 'n bass, where the major innovations are already behind us and the genre is kept alive merely on behalf of "curators" rather than that it attracts innovators. New wave is a music genre that encompasses numerous pop-oriented styles from the late 1970s and the 1980s. BIRTH OF MONSTERS www.facebook.com/BOMpunkband. Do these bands anti-melodic (unlike progressive metal, some black metal, and Between Siegbran, Kris and John Darnielle I've learned more about Charlie Parra has had over 33 million view on his YouTube channel alone and his boxset of jam tracks including Speed F*cks, Rocanrol Psycho and Punk vs Metal, all taken from his album Procrastination, accounts for over 3 million of those views! Experimenting with the boundaries of distortion/aesthetics, but one at the rediculously fast & complex/rigid end, and the other at the rediculously slow and psychedelic/morphing end. METAL! It was originally used as a catch-all for the music that emerged after punk rock, including punk itself, but may be viewed retrospectively as a more accessible counterpart of post-punk. I assume there have been no musical leaps since then? different parts of these songs. And Guns 'n Roses a Metal band? The differences between the two style might be difficult to explain sometimes, but they are still blindingly obvious even from a cursory listen by someone with no training as a musician. Music is an expression of attitude and emotions of the artist and has served as a reflection of the times especially in the case of grunge, punk, and metal music. Metalhead frontmen are generally big-voiced pretty boys. irrelevant to most fans of death metal then? Punk vs Metal. Heavy Metal vs Punk. Its roots can be traced to earlier punk scenes in San Francisco and Southern California which arose as a reaction against the still predominant hippie cultural climate of the time. Punk vs. Metal. "; Punkers are more even-handed with women. "Why don't you Metalhead dweebs I would not paint the metal vs punk picture as b/w as people often make it out to be. Punk (Old School 1970-1990) Punk cares little about what metal dose but metal has been ripping off Punk, Glam, and Goth fashion since the late 1970s. ), but if you download Sort Vokter "Kveldstimer" you'll get an idea. The kids like it because And because Metalheads revere skill and showmanship over straightforwardness, Metal is sometimes described as convoluted, byzantine and busy. In fact, the 90s is largely built on the innovations of the "college rock"/"indie" musics made by bands that built entire careers on exploring those ideas first opened up by Punkers (and "proto"-punkers like the Modern Lovers or the Velvet Underground.). Duty now for the fun-free future! Charlie Parra del Riego. towards either punk or metal. Both genres take heavy influence from each other, so it’s often hard to tell the difference with modern bands. Somehow everything is really, really stagnated in metal in the last four, five years. The attitude towards sex strikes me as wildly different as well. This is a band that essentially plays medieval/tolkien spirited soundtrack pieces on synth (no money for a real orchestra) with echoing screamed vocals and a stream of distorted guitars underneath. breakdowns in their songs? i've come to think about something, theres punk, which isnt necessarily music, its a lifestyle. All in all, the amount of classically trained musicians in metal is indicative of the tendency to produce bands that "say it with the music" more than the punk way of treating music as a tool to get the (political/nihilist) message across. quizony.com Â© . 5 years ago. Boys like drawing skulls. Because of their lack of formal training, most of the Punkers started out sounding either primitive or rather Avant Garde. Very inspirational music at least, although their last two albums do add a bit too much saccharine to the mix. packaging). Yes Sometimes. Ick! experenced, not many of us have had a pint with Zarathusa. Similarly, punk bands were influenced by metal: DRI was influenced by the speed/thrash bands, Pantera even went as far as calling their hardcore-based moshcore "metal" (but fooled only the 15-and-under age demographic - see the connection with nu-metal? This sounds Thank you! What if Gorguts had, instead of consolidating with "From Wisdom To Hate", added even more layers on top of the chaos? These were GROUNDBREAKING POP??????? piece of rock music. Should these bands be considered as innovators in a separate realm? 3 months ago added At The Gates - To Drink From The Night Itself to their wantlist. While the kids get along much better these days, punk and metal fans hated each other with a fiery passion in the '70s and '80s, and some of that mutual animosity still lingers today. lyrics; part of the problem is that due to the highly percussive, has more than its fair share of high school drop-outs in the bands. Average Speed Metal song length: 7'11".) Enjoy the high speeds, the drifting, and the crashes! yeah. metal songs have fantasy/mythological devil figures representing a inhabits a parallel universe. ); Punkers chant, mutter or bark accusations. On their latest album they've got this huge spectacle piece "Farewell" (for the downloaders, 6:58) where they wheel everything out but the kitchen sink, choirs and all, HUGE thundering production - with the guitars somewhere in the back as a wall of background distortion. Songs can be in strange keys or include mangled, thuggish sonics...because the Punker is doing this all by ear. the adults don't, etc. I don't think the demographics for punk/hardcore/nu-metal on one side and metal on the other side differ *that* much. The style of the vocals differ as well. Punk went ultra-exclusively in the other direction. Which is what probably saves metal from disappearing into its own pretentious arse a la progrock. rules!" So, Sabbath all the way. Great stuff, basically folk melodies in epic Wagnerized structures, played by a band that overflows with hatred against everyone and everything (they're blatant nazis too...). Graveland "Thousand Swords", "Following The Voice Of Blood" or "Immortal Pride". rules just seem to be getting progressively weirder and more are there bands that, Summoning, if I'm not mistaken, are sort of gothic, incantory doom not far from Godspeed You Black Emperor, right? Its as if the band went out and deliberately looked for the most interesting lyric-writing malcontent on their block. Although there are lots of "could've been" scenarios: what if Burzum had spawned a whole new "ambient/drone metal" genre? All tension, no release. "Skullfucking Armageddon" obviously appeals more to the drunk blokes at gigs than to the armchair analyst trying to find meaning in lyrics. Extreme repetition of medieval themes on synthetic orchestras with the guitars only as a layered buzzsaw texture underneath and huge "larger than life" thundering resounding-through-the-mountains percussion and vocals. Rhythm of Cruelty: Musical Technique. Metal derides punk for being unskilled, simplistic, and political. Metals holy grail is a fun, blues-based form of Wagnerian Opera that you could drunkenly play air guitar to; Punks goal is something more grandiose: A rootsy, reggae-ish protest music that bows to no authority figures. I'm not sure how much your typical hesher gets into stories. From the acid addled Julian Cope to the menacingly bloozy Nick Cave. Metal 112 vote(s) 44.8% Punk … are death metal bands who don't even have lyrics. i am Both should not be too hard to find...a nice review of "Obscura" here. Contrast this with Punker frontmen and frontwomen. lookout) fit into all this? becoming a hopeless drag. Maybe you're more metal. Esoteric "Metamorphogenesis" - well, just read this review. Advertisement. Are they into RIO or U Totem-style prog bands? The fusion often involves extreme metal genres and hardcore punk . not frontpeople in the typical sense; they're generally Short Recent Quizzes . either structurally (shorter songs, much less emphasis on Where do you place the shedding of the blues legacy that took place after the speed/thrash wave of the early 80s - the move towards atonality and chromatic scales, syncopated riffs and tempi, the turn to classical and folk structures, themes and melodies instead of the established pentatonics and the classic verse-chorus-solo-verse rock structures, and the voice-as-distorted-instrument, developments that started with Slayer and Terrorizer, through Morbid Angel, Suffocation, Cryptopsy, Gorguts et al? Something that struck me a few years ago: both metal and punk reject society (the whole rebel/outcast/don't wash/etc attitude), but express it differently. The whole genre is certainly a punk/metal hybrid. I would not call Metallica radically "different" in the sense that they were doing things nobody did before or nobody did at the time. How do they compare with the woozy psychedelic doom of bands like Esoteric and Skepticism? Renews automatically. And would sooner give up their guitarist than their bassist. In this game you can test them all. The chronological progression line in Metal as far as major purely musical innovations go would be somewhat like Black Sabbath (1969), Judas Priest (1976), Iron Maiden (1979), Slayer (1982), Hellhammer/Celtic Frost (1984), Bathory (1985), Sodom (1985), Terrorizer (1985), Napalm Death (1985), Death (1985), Morbid Angel (1986), Sarcofago (1987), Suffocation (1989), Paradise Lost (1990), Darkthrone (1991), Immortal (1991), Burzum (1991), Cryptopsy (1995), Graveland (1995), Summoning (1996), Gorguts (1998). recent metal than I could have found out on my own, and for that Both appeal to young musical 'thrillseekers', those looking for a way of life typified by raw energy and extreme viewpoints. The vocal conventions of the genre were put in place by Death, Morbid Angel, Cannibal Corpse, in the late 80's and haven't changed much since. where the jocks and the freaks were fighting "punk is junk! Punk vs Metal. that's too much to read. Maybe you're more punk. Fun. This is definitely a memorable group. Thats sounds about right, Dave. I would say Metal only got *really* interesting once it had shed its blues/rock 'n roll legacy and started going into atonal/anti-aesthetic nomansland (ie, the developments in the past 15, 20 years), coupled with the abandoning of the "fun" factor in metal. You can't put that Jamaican Skank into your sound with no bass, y'see. -vs- "uh, er, no way man, punk. Punk and metal have always had a weird, sometimes difficult relationship. too far away from "fun" of some kind, the music could end up _Obscura_. Do what Siegbran suggested earlier and download "The Carnal State" by Gorguts. Which created a lot of laughably pretentious people...but very few decent poets. This is why many There are certainly Punk is garage rockabilly played by anarchists (but with a Rasta Reggae tinge to the bass). Metal is the Blues...in Technicolor. I know metal and punk are sort of related especially in the 80s with thrash bands and and crossover bands like Slayer who were both metal and punk. confessed to numerous "Heavy Metal" inspired slayings. sexless, juvenile atavism -- a boys will be boys aesthetic that is :-), Well, for one Chuck Eddy writes in English. Please be as technical as possible. ASSWIPE JUNKIES www.facebook.com/Ass-Wipe-Junkies-964643593665463. in terms of music, are death metal bands but instead sing about, say, Seems like the process of "abandoning the 'fun' factor" is well   |  Short political offshoots of death metal, such as grindcore (Napalm No bull shit. All three are loud and harsh music forms having evolved from the original rock music. Hence, while some of the American Hardcore Punk bands transformed over time until Metal, all the groundbreaking European Pop of the Late-80s (U2, The Cure, Psychedelic Furs, Siouxsie and the Banshees) were bands that started out as Punks. massive gap in the amount of care/craft/whatever that goes into the There are death I hate all that Heavy Metal Hard Rock Junk. I'm lazy as hell. By continuing, you agree to Quizony's Privacy Policy and Cookie use. ― mark s, Saturday, 18 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Douglas, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Dario, Friday, 13 January 2006 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link, ― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 February 2007 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link, "Punk Rock? It also has a better ideology. 1.2 Blackster vs Anarchopunk; 1.3 Folk vs Irish; 1.4 Viking vs Straight edge; 1.5 Goth metal vs Post-punk (il dark originale) 1.6 Nu metal vs Skater punk; 1.7 Poser vs Poser; 1.8 Epic/power vs Steampunk; 1.9 Speed vs Hardcore; 1.10 Death vs Horror; 1.11 Heavy vs Punk Rock; 2 Voci correlate )...but in what way were they musically any different from the Kisses, Def Leppards, Poisons, Motley Crues and Bon Jovis before them? nation has always been a strange one, with its own rules; the narrow as the music gets progressively more exploratory and ― Dr. C, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Bluegerm, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Siegbran Hetteson, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― dave k, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link, ― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link. Well, I don't think completely abandoning "fun" as a goal is a wise politics or jelly beans? How do they compare with the woozy psychedelic doom of bands like Esoteric and Skepticism? (Oops. Iron Maiden drew influence from punk in the late 70s, Venom plundered Motorheads material, Slayer took their influence from the hardcore bands from the early 80s, Napalm Death came from the crustcore scene. other kinds of metal). This stubborn simplicity has an upside. Death, Discordance Axis, Agathocles, Creation is Crucifixion) but Lv 5. What are some good recordings of Should these bands be considered as innovators in a separate realm? Because of this disgust for needless cruft and circumlocution, Punk songs contain more "open space" and less length. I'd be interested what you think of it. And I don't even _like_ metal (in general). for traditional vocals. After a few years of tangling with German drones and Avant Garde ideas, a faction of Punkers began building gloomy cathedrals of sound. 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